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  Do "born-again christians"believe that the Pope went to heaven or hell?

  by booker-t in

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  i ask this question because i know alot of "born-agains"that do not like roman catholics and feel that they worship mary and will not make it to heaven.

  my friend that is a devout catholic has told me many horror stories of christians sending pamphlets to catholic churches telling them that they will burn in hell.

  i was igronant of the anti-catholic hatred that is taught in many born-again christian churches.

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  The Leological One

  Along with Country Girl's replies, I'd say that it's not any other person's place to "judge" the status of the pope's eternal existence. I believe it's based on a personal relationship with God, the Father, through acceptance of the sacrifice of His Son. There are many denominations, and many differences are based, IMO, on doctrines that vary mainly in areas that don't affect salvation, though that doesn't equate to me saying those doctrinal differences aren't important.

  As an example, I don't personally feel that a person believing purgatory is a real place would affect whether they are/can be born again or not. Worshipping Mary or various saints would be a problem, I feel sure, but I don't know that they actually are worshipped or just heavily honored (though more than they should be, IMO). Also, if I undestand correctly that Catholics teach praying "through" or in the name of certain saints or Mary, that seems to be highly against only praying in Jesus' name; even so, I'm not sure this would necessarily affect salvation as long as the person accepted Jesus as his/her Lord and understand that salvation can only come through acceptance of His sacrifice and not of various saints or Mary.

  Just as with the Catholics, I feel it's not my place to judge whether a JW, protestant, etc. is saved but feel it's all between the people themselves and God. That isn't to say I might not have an opinion in certain cases, such as with Hitler, for example...
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  What would you guys do??

  by under74 in

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  i mentioned on another thread that friday night i'd gone out with some friends (one being my roommate).

  and in the middle of a bar we were at she (roommate) starts screaming at the top of her lungs about how i find everything she says to be wrong and demanding an explanation.

  now, to give you a little more detail--right before another friend had been talking about something (my roommate disagreed with for some reason) and then momentarily left to go smoke and as soon as she left my roommate starts going into this heated bitch about the friend that went to smoke.

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  The Leological One

  I haven't read all the responses yet but am quickly just adding my own in case it may be helfpul along with the others.
  

  To me, it just sounds like she might be a bit immature (regardless of age) and as if she may never have gone through something where she could grow in a similar situation previously, i.e. being somewhat unaware of how she acted being seen by most people as being at least somewhat rude.

  I've been in some situations where I've just tried to wait for a somewhat calm moment to try and come across as just wanting to talk calmly about the situation since it was a big deal. In this one, if she were open to talking at all, I'd probably just tell her how I felt but in a way that doesn't sound like you're talking down on her, as in maybe just trying to get her to see herself in the other person's shoes she was talking about and how she'd feel if she found out someone was harping behind her back in a similar fashion. Maybe that would make her think about it and get her to try and think a little before going off like that again. If so, then she truly is a cool person but maybe just not very socially skilled. Otherwise she may just be a somewhat lame person you might have to only talk to about important matters such as paying rent and bills, as well as moving procedures when the time comes.

  Hopefully things will work out really well~!
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  Watchtower and Awake in the waiting room

  by kj in

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  i found a couple of nice wt and awake magazines in the waiting room at work today.

  i decided to dress them up with some flourescent green labels with the freeminds.org, silentlambs.org, and quotes' website.

  hope the jw who left them will come back and check them out .

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  I like the idea of directing the potential JW to something honest~! If I really thought anyone was likely to read the mag's, such as if they were in a waiting room that people would be really bored sitting in for a long time, I might take the mag's and either "edit" them with corrections to all the errors or staple a page of corrections to each if the refutations took up too much space to write in the magazines, themselves.
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  It's Proof! Why We Can Trust the FDS (The OD Book Chap 3)

  by ezekiel3 in

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  from the new organized to do jehovah?s will (od) pages 18, 19. this is from a new chapter (3) in the book ?trusting the faithful and discreet slave?.

  why trust "the faithful and discreet slave".

  there are many reasons to have complete trust in the slave class.

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  Chap. 1: Jehovah is the true God. We acknowledge this by worshiping the Governing Body.

  Chap. 2: Jesus has been granted a unique position in His Father's organization. We show that we respect His divine appointment by allowing the Governing Body (as representing the Faithful and Discreet Slave Class) to usurp that position.

  Chap. 3: Following and obeying the F&DS is the only way to gain God's approval; it alone is the "way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through [the Governing Body]." (John 14:6)

  (Synopsis of new "Organized" book).
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  There is a SIGN on the inside of the door of the KH that says....

  by Jez in

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  "turn in your time".

  i am not kidding.

  everyone that leaves, sees that sign, everytime.. jez

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  The Leological One

  Reminds me of the IBM slogan, Think. Too bad it doesn't say something like, love your fellow man, or be a decent human being, something remotely worthwhile rather than slavery to the org.

  No doubt; the sign sounds exactly like something you'd see at a place of work~!
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  Anyone have 'new light' on US vs Russia?

  by love2Bworldly in

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  hi--i was wondering if anyone knew what the watchtower says about the superpowers destroying babylon the great?

  i have been out for many years, and i know they used to teach that russia and the us were going to have the great war and then destroy all religions except the witnesses.

  any takers?

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  The Leological One

  Although I've never been a JW (married to a sweet JW who's currently DF'd), some churches I've attended back in the '80s used to say they felt that at some point the great "bear" and the "eagle" would both bring war to Israel in the last days (or at least that's what little I remember of what was said ).

  Sometimes I wonder if some of the things JW's have taught in the past might possibly be rehashed versions of what some protestant denominations views have been -- just altered in such a way as to put the WT on top of the end-day heap~!
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  i thought this site suppose to be kind to one another!

  by sad and lonely in

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  i just recently join this site because i was looking for a friendly place for witnesses to go and chat.it's ok!..but i seen a lot of witness bashing.there's another site i want to get into, that's also a site for the witnesses.but i don't know what po means.and that's the only way a true witness can get in.i think maybe there is where i want to be.because i don't need to be in a site for witnesses,where its suppose to be friendly.yet witness haters are coming in.i haven't heard any witness bashing anyone in this site..but yet its the other way around.

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  The Leological One

  As a person who's never been a JW but married to a DF'd one, I can tell you her perspective seemed to be that JW's or at least the WT was getting bashed on here badly, but from my somewhat neutral perspective (at least initially neutral~), I explained that a lot of people here have been badly hurt by the actions of the WT, i.e. DF'd and unable to talk to parents, siblings, children, etc., and many are upset at how they've been misled ranging from months to 50 or more years, losing a lot of their life via compromising and not getting a better education, not interacting with other people that may've been really good friends, many being hurt by an apparent lack of love they've experienced at KH's, etc...

  Anyway, to me, most of the bitterness seems directed at the organization rather than the people, though I've seen enough times where people feel current JW's are duped or even possibly stupid for not letting themselves look at material, even older WT mag's, that would dethrone the WT as being the sole "Truth."

  I feel for current JW's...at least the ones going through problems and being too controlled to really do anything about it plus having to put on a fake front and seem perfect no matter what types of problems they have, i.e. mental/emotional/physical disabilities (at least with a good number of halls). To those that are truly happy with their current JW status, I don't feel the need to knock them, but I can understand refuting their points that come up periodically and have done so myself, as a Christian who doesn't hate the WT but definitely feels the WT is arrogant and seriously in error when calling themselves the truth and having their people act smugly about it when the WT being the sole servant, ect. is so easily refuted via a number of ways, via the Bible itself, the WT's own predictions/prophecies, changing policies, etc...

  Anyway, peace to you and any current or ex-Jehovah's Witness; I have no problems personally with JW's at all and thought I noticed a number of seemingly cool ones at the local hall on the 3 visits I've had, though I totally felt strange about their ritualitically passing the emblems by untouched, doctrinal issues, etc...
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  9 Aussie navy men lost giving aid after latest wave in Indonesia

  by Max Divergent in

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  may they be honoured and never forgotten .

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  "May they be honored and never forgotten."

  I second that. How sad for their families, but at least they will remember them with honor and pride.

  Tracy

  Agreed 100%

  I wish the best for their families and friends as well as those of the people of the areas affected.
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  What kind of people are attracked to the JWS?

  by new boy in

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  mostly i'd say unhappy ones!

  i look back at my life, and say it was my unhappy mother, who infected my family.

  it was perfect for her.

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  The Leological One

  In the case of myself, those already predisposed to mental illness.

  Prophecor,

  I agree and also have to say I notice how unfair the WT can be to many of those having emotional/menal handicaps (and maybe other handicaps, as well), expecting them to function perfectly and show no signs of their problems, always seeming happy, etc.. It's a shame.
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  Is it ok to be critical of the pope yet?????????

  by tyydyy in

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  censorship borg style.

  somebody killed the pope's last poop thread just because someone else was offended when i mentioned that i think that he wasn't such a good guy.

  if you think you might be offended by what's said in a thread then don't read it.

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  The Leological One

  Maybe it was the thread title and the timing of it itself?

  I'm no Catholic or JW, but I can't say I'd be happy to hear about Jaracz or whatever GB leader of the WT dying or the pope, even though I don't agree with either. I probably feel a little more sense of loss regarding the pope, mainly because he's so well-known to the world and has at least seemingly tried to make some differences that were respectable over time -- at least from what I've heard, admitting I don't keep up with a lot of catholicism-related news.

  I'd rather see the death of the WT, for example, than members/leaders of the WT; but I can respect if others have been personally hurt and feel a stronger sense of hatred for either leaders of the WT or catholic church...